# Interview Transcript Summary
## Michelle Lee, VP Sales - Restaurant Technology ($40M ARR)
### Document Details
- **File:** interview_transcript.md
- **Word Count:** 4,181 words
- **Duration:** 32-minute conversation
- **Format:** Markdown with natural dialogue, metadata, and strategic analysis
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## Conversation Structure
### 1. Opening & Context (2:30)
Sets the stage for the dual sales motion and establishes Michelle's background managing both corporate and franchisee channels.
### 2. Pricing Sensitivity & Labor Market Dynamics (5:45)
Deep dive into thin restaurant margins (5-12%) and how labor market shock (15-20% wage increases) shifted messaging from growth to survival and labor efficiency.
### 3. Corporate Mandates vs. Franchisee Power (5:45)
Reveals that mandates aren't absolute—franchisees have leverage, and successful implementations can create bottoms-up demand that influences corporate decisions.
### 4. Churn & Retention Fundamentals (8:30)
Critical segment: monthly churn varies from 0.8-1.2% (mandated) to 4-5% (independent), annualizing to 28-35%. Details the retention playbook and CAC/LTV variance.
### 5. Delivery Platform Integration (5:30)
Establishes delivery as 30-50% of revenue, requiring native integration. Discusses API maintenance costs and strategic partnership opportunities with DoorDash, Uber Eats, Grubhub.
### 6. Strategic Priorities & Segmentation (4:00)
Closing section with three key priorities: reduce churn, target high-LTV franchisees (10-50 units), and formalize platform partnerships.
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## Core Talking Points Addressed
### 1. Franchisee vs. Corporate Buying
✓ **Corporate (30% revenue):** Centralized procurement, cleaner handoff, predictable expansion
✓ **Franchisees (70% revenue):** Thousands of independent operators, each making ROI decisions
✓ **Dual motion complexity:** Different buyer personas, different timelines, different value props
✓ **Franchisee influence:** Bottom-up success drives corporate investment and peer adoption
### 2. Thin Margins & Price Sensitivity
✓ **Restaurant net margins:** 5-8% typical, 10-12% for strong operators
✓ **ROI requirement:** 60-90 day payback or franchisees churn
✓ **Custom modeling:** Michelle hires dedicated person for labor ROI calculations
✓ **No aspirational selling:** Every feature must directly save money or make money
### 3. Labor Market Shifts
✓ **Wage pressure:** 15-20% year-over-year increases
✓ **Messaging shift:** From growth/scale to survival and labor efficiency
✓ **Value driver:** "Do more with fewer people" replaced "double throughput"
✓ **Segment variance:** Large franchisees think strategically; single-unit operators focus on survival
### 4. Delivery Platform Integration
✓ **Revenue impact:** 30-50% of restaurant sales now from delivery
✓ **Table stakes:** Must integrate with DoorDash, Uber Eats, Grubhub or "you're dead"
✓ **Maintenance burden:** APIs change regularly; Uber Eats API rebuild took 1 week
✓ **Strategic risk:** Grubhub pushed own software; API access could be cut off
✓ **Partnership opportunity:** Platform reps can recommend tool; co-selling and revenue share explored
### 5. High SMB Churn & Retention Strategy
✓ **Churn spread:** 0.8-1.2% monthly (mandated) vs. 4-5% monthly (independent)
✓ **Annualized:** 28-35% is unsustainable and driven by business downturns, oversold ROI, vendor fatigue
✓ **Retention tactics:** Human onboarding, peer community, NRR-tied sales comp
✓ **CAC/LTV variance:** 100-150% acceptable for corporate; 4-5x required for independents
✓ **Expansion potential:** 55% of revenue from expansion within existing customers vs. 45% new
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## Key Metrics & Insights
### Churn Rates
- Overall monthly: 2.5-3%
- Corporate-mandated: 0.8-1.2% monthly (sub-1%)
- Independent franchisees: 4-5% monthly
- Annualized range: 10-60% (huge variance by segment)
### Revenue Split
- Corporate procurement: 30%
- Franchisee direct: 70%
- Expansion vs. new: 55% vs. 45% (goal: flip to 70% vs. 30%)
### CAC/LTV Targets
- Corporate segment: 100-150% CAC/LTV ratio
- Independent segment: 4-5x CAC/LTV ratio
- Corporate sales investment: $50K-100K, 3-6 month cycle
- Franchisee product-led motion: Lower CAC, lower conversion
### Labor Economics
- Franchise wage increases: 15-20% year-over-year
- Typical manager time savings: 3 hours/week on scheduling/reconciliation
- Hourly rate assumption: $18/hour
- Labor efficiency as value driver: Primary motivation post-2024
### Delivery Channel
- Revenue contribution: 30-40% for most brands, 50%+ for urban concepts
- API integration: Native with DoorDash, Uber Eats, Grubhub
- Maintenance cadence: Ongoing (not one-time)
- Product roadmap impact: 50% platform needs, 30% customer requests, 20% vision
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## Strategic Recommendations (From Michelle)
### Priority 1: Churn Reduction
- Implement segmented retention motion
- Target 2% or lower monthly churn across all segments
- Current state: Losing high-LTV expansion opportunity with every churn
### Priority 2: High-LTV Franchisee Targeting
- Focus on 10-50 location operators
- These drive 50-55% of revenue but get insufficient attention
- 20+ location operators have different buying criteria and much higher LTV
### Priority 3: Formalize Platform Partnerships
- Move from transactional to strategic relationships with delivery platforms
- Explore co-selling, revenue sharing, co-branded solutions
- Currently reactive; should be proactive
### Priority 4: Segment-Specific Messaging
- Corporate: Standardization, compliance, multi-unit visibility
- High-LTV franchisees: Operational excellence, labor optimization
- SMB: Simplicity, quick ROI
- Current state: Generic positioning across all segments
### Priority 5: Churn Prediction Model
- Correlate implementation speed (14-day onboarding is leading indicator)
- Layer franchisee business metrics: net revenue growth, labor cost %, employment stability
- Early usage patterns have signal but need business context
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## Notable Quotes
> "Corporate cares about brand consistency, compliance reporting, territory management. Franchisees care about: 'Will this make my life easier? Will I get the money back? How much am I paying, and what am I getting?'"
> "Restaurant margins are genuinely thin...A software tool that costs $500 a month needs to either directly save you money or directly make you money—ideally both."
> "We're selling automation. We're selling labor efficiency...You don't have to hire two more people. One person with our system does the job of 1.5 people with spreadsheets."
> "A corporate mandate on its surface sounds great...but franchisees have more leverage than you'd think."
> "Franchisees literally drove corporate buying decisions because they saw results from other brands. That's word-of-mouth at scale, and it's powerful."
> "We don't have a bulletproof model yet [for churn prediction]. Right now, we're flying somewhat blind."
> "We're not buying software—we're buying hours, labor, margin, and survival. If your tool doesn't deliver that, it doesn't matter how good the software is."
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## Interview Strengths
- Candid about churn rates, overselling, and prediction challenges
- Provided specific metrics and percentages throughout
- Connected business context to product strategy
- Admitted weaknesses and opportunities
- Practical examples grounded abstract concepts
## Follow-up Opportunities
1. Deep dive into churn prediction with actual data
2. Case studies of 1-unit to 10-unit franchisee expansion
3. Platform partnership strategy and revenue modeling
4. Competitive landscape vs. niche restaurant competitors
5. Organizational incentive structure for three-segment go-to-market