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{ "episode": { "guest": "Janna Bastow", "expertise_tags": [ "Product Management", "Roadmapping", "Community Building", "Product Strategy", "Founder/CEO", "Product Tools" ], "summary": "Janna Bastow, co-founder of Mind the Product and ProdPad, discusses her journey from accidental product manager to founder of two major companies. She challenges traditional Gantt chart roadmapping with her Now, Next, Later framework, emphasizing that roadmaps are prototypes for strategy rather than binding plans. The conversation covers community building lessons, public speaking techniques, and how to transform product culture in large organizations. Janna shares insights on psychological safety, discovery, retrospectives, and the importance of treating product work like experimentation rather than predictable delivery.", "key_frameworks": [ "Now, Next, Later roadmapping", "Roadmap as strategy prototype", "Soft launch vs hard launch", "Product canvas/vision template (from Crossing the Chasm)", "Cone of uncertainty", "Psychological safety in teams", "Discovery-driven product development" ] }, "topics": [ { "id": "topic_1", "title": "Roadmaps as Strategy Prototypes", "summary": "Janna introduces the core concept that roadmaps should function as prototypes for strategy, not as binding plans. Just as design prototypes test assumptions at the feature level, strategy prototypes test assumptions about problems and priorities. The value comes from the roadmapping process—sharing assumptions with teams and customers—rather than the artifact itself.", "timestamp_start": "00:00", "timestamp_end": "01:11", "line_start": 1, "line_end": 11 }, { "id": "topic_2", "title": "Introduction and Guest Background", "summary": "Lenny introduces Janna Bastow, co-founder of Mind the Product (largest product community), inventor of Now, Next, Later framework, and founder of ProdPad. Overview of her career trajectory and accomplishments.", "timestamp_start": "01:11", "timestamp_end": "05:47", "line_start": 10, "line_end": 43 }, { "id": "topic_3", "title": "Building and Maintaining Community at Scale", "summary": "Discussion of how Mind the Product became the world's largest product management community. Key success factors included grassroots approach, consistency with monthly ProductTanks, surrounding yourself with the right people early, and distributed curation across the community rather than centralized leadership.", "timestamp_start": "05:47", "timestamp_end": "08:22", "line_start": 44, "line_end": 72 }, { "id": "topic_4", "title": "Conference Challenges and Logistics", "summary": "Janna discusses the extreme difficulty of running conferences as a product person. Key challenges include the lean nature of events, unpredictable costs (thousands of dollars per failure point), vendor issues, and inability to iterate mid-event. Examples include catering failures, speaker cancellations, and venue collapse.", "timestamp_start": "08:22", "timestamp_end": "10:49", "line_start": 73, "line_end": 96 }, { "id": "topic_5", "title": "Conference Business Model and Monetization", "summary": "Exploration of whether conferences are profitable. Conferences are high-risk with thin margins that only become meaningful at scale. Key insights: pre-conference community building drives ticket sales, underselling tickets can break the business model, and external factors like COVID create existential risk.", "timestamp_start": "10:49", "timestamp_end": "12:38", "line_start": 97, "line_end": 116 }, { "id": "topic_6", "title": "Public Speaking and Storytelling Skills", "summary": "Janna shares her journey to becoming a strong speaker. She learned by watching many presenters, worked with a speaker coach who provided feedback on delivery, pacing, humor, and content. She emphasizes practicing until you can deliver flawlessly, recording yourself despite discomfort, and starting with narratives rather than PowerPoint slides.", "timestamp_start": "12:58", "timestamp_end": "16:43", "line_start": 118, "line_end": 135 }, { "id": "topic_7", "title": "Managing Presentation Anxiety", "summary": "Practical techniques for managing nervousness before presenting: power pose (hands on hips), walking on stage before the event to familiarize yourself, finding friendly faces in the audience to speak to, and remembering that audiences root for your success, not failure.", "timestamp_start": "16:43", "timestamp_end": "18:30", "line_start": 136, "line_end": 153 }, { "id": "topic_8", "title": "Growth as a Speaker and Early Mistakes", "summary": "Janna reflects on her early public speaking struggles—shaky voice, fear in front of large crowds, blanking on stage. Her breakthrough moment came when she recovered from forgetting her lines and realized the audience was supportive. She learned that audiences are forgiving and that visible imperfection makes speakers relatable.", "timestamp_start": "19:05", "timestamp_end": "21:47", "line_start": 165, "line_end": 189 }, { "id": "topic_9", "title": "Problems with Gantt Chart Roadmapping", "summary": "Janna explains her journey from using Gantt timeline roadmaps to rejecting them. She built the original ProdPad as a digitized Gantt chart but discovered through customer conversations that no one was actually delivering to these timelines. This led to questioning the entire premise of timeline-based roadmaps.", "timestamp_start": "22:16", "timestamp_end": "25:08", "line_start": 193, "line_end": 213 }, { "id": "topic_10", "title": "The Now, Next, Later Framework Origins", "summary": "After realizing Gantt timelines don't work, Janna and co-founder Simon developed the Now, Next, Later framework. This three-column approach removes timeline pressure and accounts for the cone of uncertainty—items further out are less certain and don't require dates. The framework gained traction because it aligned with how product actually works.", "timestamp_start": "25:08", "timestamp_end": "26:49", "line_start": 214, "line_end": 222 }, { "id": "topic_11", "title": "Coordinating Marketing and Development Without Rigid Dates", "summary": "Janna explains how to manage external expectations (marketing, sales, CEO) without timeline-based roadmaps. Key strategy: separate soft launch (internal, for iteration) from hard launch (coordinated external release). This allows development to move faster while marketing has actual product to work with.", "timestamp_start": "28:09", "timestamp_end": "31:00", "line_start": 253, "line_end": 270 }, { "id": "topic_12", "title": "When Dates Are Actually Required", "summary": "Discussion of legitimate date requirements: regulatory deadlines (GDPR), seasonal requirements (holidays, school years), and external events. When dates are necessary, this requires additional planning, buffer time, and soft launches before hard launches. Most work shouldn't be subject to these constraints.", "timestamp_start": "31:00", "timestamp_end": "32:57", "line_start": 271, "line_end": 283 }, { "id": "topic_13", "title": "Adoption Rates and Product Team Maturity", "summary": "Janna notes that ProdPad self-selects for teams already aligned with Now, Next, Later (70% of prospects), but she's observed adoption increasing industry-wide. Teams are increasingly expecting this approach, contrary to the resistance years ago. Still, most companies remain on timeline-based roadmaps.", "timestamp_start": "32:57", "timestamp_end": "34:37", "line_start": 284, "line_end": 297 }, { "id": "topic_14", "title": "Traits of High-Performing Product Teams", "summary": "Beyond Now, Next, Later, high-performing teams share two key traits: focus on discovery (spending time with customers, iterating on insights) and psychological safety (ability to question assumptions, speak up about problems, challenge senior leadership). These enable teams to learn and iterate effectively.", "timestamp_start": "34:37", "timestamp_end": "35:24", "line_start": 298, "line_end": 306 }, { "id": "topic_15", "title": "Role of Retrospectives in Product Culture", "summary": "Retrospectives are indicator and catalyst for psychological safety. Teams that regularly reflect on what's working, what isn't, and act on findings are teams that learn, iterate, and improve continuously. Retrospectives naturally lead to better practices like Now, Next, Later and discovery work.", "timestamp_start": "35:24", "timestamp_end": "36:46", "line_start": 307, "line_end": 309 }, { "id": "topic_16", "title": "Changing Product Culture at Large Organizations", "summary": "Large company culture is like calcification—built up and hardened over time. Change requires chipping away gradually through small pockets of the organization. Find a strong leader, run a startup lab or skunk works, build success, and let others observe and adopt. Cannot change entire company at once.", "timestamp_start": "37:04", "timestamp_end": "38:21", "line_start": 310, "line_end": 318 }, { "id": "topic_17", "title": "Innovation Pressure in Large Companies", "summary": "Large enterprises face misaligned incentives: pressured to maintain stability and quarter-on-quarter growth for stock market, but threatened by nimble startups. They have resources to stay viable for decades but will lose market share unless they embrace innovation. The paradox leaves many large companies unable to transform.", "timestamp_start": "38:21", "timestamp_end": "39:42", "line_start": 319, "line_end": 325 }, { "id": "topic_18", "title": "Enterprise Implementation and Impact", "summary": "ProdPad's enterprise rollouts typically start with an advocate and a division/department, then expand to other groups. Multi-year transformations are underway. The tool itself enforces better practices—making it hard to create timeline roadmaps, requiring thoughtful problem definition, and tracking outcomes post-launch.", "timestamp_start": "39:42", "timestamp_end": "42:05", "line_start": 326, "line_end": 345 }, { "id": "topic_19", "title": "Product Vision Framework", "summary": "Janna uses Geoffrey Moore's Crossing the Chasm elevator pitch template for product vision. Template includes: target customer, statement of need, product name/category, reason to buy, and differentiation statement. This same framework applies to positioning and vision work.", "timestamp_start": "47:30", "timestamp_end": "48:36", "line_start": 375, "line_end": 384 }, { "id": "topic_20", "title": "From Product Manager to Founder", "summary": "Janna advises PMs interested in founding companies to work closely with leadership first, observe how business works well and badly, and surround yourself with advisors. Being a founder is both harder and easier than expected—no one stops you from doing things, but unexpected challenges arise constantly. Start before you're ready.", "timestamp_start": "48:58", "timestamp_end": "50:46", "line_start": 387, "line_end": 396 }, { "id": "topic_21", "title": "Lightning Round Recommendations", "summary": "Janna's personal recommendations: Art of Profitability (book), Sandman (TV show), Startups For the Rest Of Us podcast, and respects Christina Wodtke as a thought leader. Interview question: what problems are you trying to solve?", "timestamp_start": "50:55", "timestamp_end": "52:32", "line_start": 399, "line_end": 462 } ], "insights": [ { "id": "i1", "text": "The value of a roadmap isn't in the artifact itself—it's in the process of roadmapping. You're laying out your assumptions about problems and checking them with your team and customers.", "context": "Janna explains the core philosophy behind treating roadmaps as prototypes for strategy rather than binding plans.", "topic_id": "topic_1", "line_start": 1, "line_end": 11 }, { "id": "i2", "text": "Building community requires consistency, grassroots approach, and surrounding yourself with the right people early who can help curate and bring in others outside your network.", "context": "Discussing success factors for Mind the Product's growth to become the world's largest product community.", "topic_id": "topic_3", "line_start": 52, "line_end": 60 }, { "id": "i3", "text": "Conferences are one of the most expensive and unleanest things a product person can do because you cannot iterate mid-event—if something goes wrong, you must wait until next year.", "context": "Janna explaining why conferences are so difficult for product-minded people who want to iterate.", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 82, "line_end": 84 }, { "id": "i4", "text": "When something goes wrong at a conference, it doesn't happen in hundreds of dollars but thousands. A single speaker cancellation can cost thousands in airfare, then you must find another speaker last-minute.", "context": "Illustrating the financial fragility and risk in conference business models.", "topic_id": "topic_5", "line_start": 88, "line_end": 90 }, { "id": "i5", "text": "Start with narratives and story points, not PowerPoint slides. Fit the slides to your narrative rather than forcing your narrative to fit your presentation format.", "context": "Janna's shift in how she approaches building talks based on coaching feedback.", "topic_id": "topic_6", "line_start": 133, "line_end": 135 }, { "id": "i6", "text": "The power pose (hands on hips) releases chemicals that genuinely boost confidence before presenting, whether placebo or not.", "context": "Practical anxiety management technique Janna uses before every major presentation.", "topic_id": "topic_7", "line_start": 145, "line_end": 147 }, { "id": "i7", "text": "In a large audience, find the few people who are nodding and smiling with you, and speak to them. Ignore the people on their phones. The audience won't notice you're delivering to a subset.", "context": "Advanced technique for managing nervousness and maintaining confidence while presenting.", "topic_id": "topic_7", "line_start": 151, "line_end": 153 }, { "id": "i8", "text": "Audiences are rooting for you to succeed, not to fail. When you screw up on stage, the audience sees it as humanizing and relatable, not as disqualifying.", "context": "Reframing fear of public speaking failure based on actual audience psychology.", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 178, "line_end": 182 }, { "id": "i9", "text": "No product team is actually delivering their timeline-based roadmap on schedule. This means the timeline itself is not the issue—it's that timelines don't align with how product development actually works.", "context": "The insight that led Janna to question the entire Gantt timeline approach for roadmapping.", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 207, "line_end": 213 }, { "id": "i10", "text": "Timeline-based roadmaps create false certainty by forcing everything onto a timeline (X-axis) and tasks (Y-axis), assigning due dates to everything as a byproduct of the format, not necessity.", "context": "Explaining the fundamental flaw with Gantt chart roadmaps.", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 214, "line_end": 222 }, { "id": "i11", "text": "The cone of uncertainty means the further you plan, the more you're making things up. Now, Next, Later accounts for this by reducing specificity as you look further ahead.", "context": "The principle underlying why Now, Next, Later works better than timeline roadmaps.", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 214, "line_end": 222 }, { "id": "i12", "text": "Separate soft launch (internal, iterative) from hard launch (coordinated external release). This solves the fundamental timing mismatch between development cycles and marketing cycles.", "context": "Key strategy for managing external expectations without rigid development timelines.", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 256, "line_end": 270 }, { "id": "i13", "text": "Marketing and sales teams aren't required to predict exact outcomes or timing—they report on processes and investment. Product should be held to the same standard: accountable for experiments run and metrics moved, not for predicting unknown outcomes.", "context": "Reframing product accountability to match how other functions actually work.", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 361, "line_end": 372 }, { "id": "i14", "text": "High-performing teams focus on discovery and psychological safety. Discovery enables learning from customers; psychological safety enables teams to question assumptions and speak up about problems.", "context": "The two core differentiators Janna has observed separating excellent teams from mediocre ones.", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 298, "line_end": 309 }, { "id": "i15", "text": "Retrospectives are an indicator of psychological safety and a tool that strengthens it. Teams that reflect on what's working and adjust are teams that continuously improve.", "context": "Why retrospectives matter beyond process—they signal and reinforce team culture.", "topic_id": "topic_15", "line_start": 304, "line_end": 309 }, { "id": "i16", "text": "In large organizations, culture is like calcification that can only be chipped away gradually. Find a small pocket with a strong leader, run it as a startup lab, build success, and let others adopt it.", "context": "Strategy for introducing new ways of working in bureaucratic, change-resistant organizations.", "topic_id": "topic_16", "line_start": 313, "line_end": 318 }, { "id": "i17", "text": "Large companies are incentivized for quarter-on-quarter stability while being threatened by startups that are nimble and innovative. This creates a paradox where they can't adopt the innovation practices they need.", "context": "The structural challenge preventing large enterprises from modernizing product practices.", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 319, "line_end": 324 }, { "id": "i18", "text": "Product tools can enforce better practices. By making timeline roadmaps difficult and requiring thoughtful problem definition, ProdPad helps teams become better product managers whether they intend to or not.", "context": "How design of product tools can shape team behavior and culture toward better practices.", "topic_id": "topic_18", "line_start": 340, "line_end": 345 }, { "id": "i19", "text": "Being a PM provides excellent foundation for founding—you work with multiple teams and see how business works. But being a founder requires surrounding yourself with advisors for each problem area.", "context": "Advice for PMs considering the founder path.", "topic_id": "topic_20", "line_start": 388, "line_end": 396 }, { "id": "i20", "text": "Don't wait until you think you're ready to start something. You will figure it out as you go. People less capable than you have figured it out.", "context": "Encouraging advice to overcome imposter syndrome for aspiring founders.", "topic_id": "topic_20", "line_start": 395, "line_end": 396 } ], "examples": [ { "id": "ex1", "explicit_text": "When running a conference, the caterers under delivered on food, so we had to get all our volunteers to go to local sandwich shops and buy up all the food to bring it in.", "inferred_identity": "Mind the Product conference", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "Mind the Product", "conference", "catering failure", "vendor management", "problem solving", "community event", "logistics" ], "lesson": "When something goes wrong at a conference, you can't iterate. You must make do with what you have and fix it after the fact—in this case by sending compensation to attendees.", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 82, "line_end": 84 }, { "id": "ex2", "explicit_text": "A speaker decided they couldn't make it for a legitimate reason, but we'd already paid for their business class flights. Now we have to find another speaker last minute and get them over. That's thousands of pounds in the hole.", "inferred_identity": "Mind the Product conference", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "Mind the Product", "conference", "speaker management", "last-minute crisis", "financial risk", "travel costs", "event production" ], "lesson": "Single failure points at conferences have massive financial consequences. A last-minute speaker cancellation can cost thousands.", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 88, "line_end": 90 }, { "id": "ex3", "explicit_text": "Our venue once went bust. The after party venue once went bust three weeks before the conference. That was year one.", "inferred_identity": "Mind the Product first conference", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "Mind the Product", "conference", "year one", "venue failure", "vendor bankruptcy", "contingency planning", "crisis management" ], "lesson": "You cannot protect against all contingencies at a conference. External events beyond your control can cascade into problems.", "topic_id": "topic_5", "line_start": 89, "line_end": 90 }, { "id": "ex4", "explicit_text": "I had half-written talk starting with just Post-It Notes scattered along the wall, trying to turn it into something. It was probably six hours worth of content. A speaker coach rewritten the jokes to land better, helped turn the stories around so they carried through, helped with posture and delivery.", "inferred_identity": "Janna Bastow, Mind the Product speaker coaching", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "Janna Bastow", "Mind the Product", "speaking coach", "talk preparation", "storytelling", "delivery coaching", "public speaking improvement" ], "lesson": "Working with a speaking coach transforms raw ideas into compelling presentations. Professional coaching improves every dimension: structure, delivery, humor, pacing.", "topic_id": "topic_6", "line_start": 124, "line_end": 129 }, { "id": "ex5", "explicit_text": "I stood at the front of ProductCamp with 200 product people, all super professional, all looking at me. I tripped up over what I was saying, forgot everything, blanked. I just looked up and said 'I'm really sorry everybody. I'm just going to start again.' And they were totally fine with it.", "inferred_identity": "Janna Bastow, ProductCamp", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "Janna Bastow", "ProductCamp", "public speaking failure", "recovering from mistake", "200 people", "stage presence", "audience compassion" ], "lesson": "When you screw up on stage, audiences are compassionate and rooting for you to succeed. Recovering from a mistake by restarting shows confidence and is relatable.", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 175, "line_end": 180 }, { "id": "ex6", "explicit_text": "I was a junior product manager, and I did my roadmap like everyone else—looked up what a roadmap was, it looked like a colorful Gantt chart. I put together a Gantt chart with features lined up against due dates and got a pat on the head from my boss: 'Good job, now go deliver it.'", "inferred_identity": "Janna Bastow, early product management role", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "Janna Bastow", "early career", "Gantt charts", "timeline roadmap", "junior PM", "traditional roadmapping", "unrealistic commitments" ], "lesson": "Traditional Gantt chart roadmapping creates false expectations. Managers ask for timeline roadmaps because that's what they expect to see, not because it actually works.", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 199, "line_end": 201 }, { "id": "ex7", "explicit_text": "I created the first version of ProdPad as a digitized Gantt chart where you could drag and drop ideas and stretch and squeeze them. Early users loved it. But a month later they said, 'Great, but I want to move all these things over by a month.' When we asked why, we realized no one was delivering the roadmap in the timeframe they said they would.", "inferred_identity": "Janna Bastow and Simon, ProdPad", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "ProdPad", "Janna Bastow", "early version", "Gantt roadmap tool", "customer feedback", "discovery process", "assumption testing" ], "lesson": "Asking why customers want a feature (five whys) led to the insight that the entire premise of timeline roadmaps was flawed, not just the implementation.", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 205, "line_end": 213 }, { "id": "ex8", "explicit_text": "We worked with large enterprises and governments. It starts with an advocate, somebody who gets our way of working, in a division or department. Sometimes we find one or two, sometimes three or four groups start and then they band together saying 'Hey, we're starting a thing here.'", "inferred_identity": "ProdPad enterprise implementations", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "ProdPad", "enterprise", "large organizations", "government", "change management", "grassroots adoption", "organizational transformation" ], "lesson": "Enterprise change happens bottom-up, not top-down. Start with believers in pockets of the organization, let success spread organically.", "topic_id": "topic_18", "line_start": 334, "line_end": 336 }, { "id": "ex9", "explicit_text": "If you're a big bank or health tech company, you almost certainly have startups nipping at your heels. You've got enough cash to make it for 20 years, but startups will take the juicier, more interesting parts of your business. Look at HSBC versus Starling, Wise, and others—smaller startups nipping away at their market.", "inferred_identity": "HSBC, Starling, Wise", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "HSBC", "Starling", "Wise", "banking", "disruption", "large enterprise weakness", "innovation threat", "market fragmentation" ], "lesson": "Large companies are vulnerable to disruption from startups because they're optimized for stability and quarterly growth, not innovation. Startups can capture the best opportunities and leave incumbents with commoditized business.", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 319, "line_end": 325 }, { "id": "ex10", "explicit_text": "GDPR came down and everyone had a due date on the roadmap, because if you didn't hit that date you were going to be in trouble.", "inferred_identity": "General company response to GDPR", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "GDPR", "regulatory", "deadline", "compliance", "external constraint", "necessary dates", "legal requirement" ], "lesson": "Some dates are genuinely required: regulatory deadlines, seasonal events, external constraints. These are the exceptions that justify timeline-based planning.", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 275, "line_end": 279 }, { "id": "ex11", "explicit_text": "Marketing tries to market something based on pictures from designers that have vastly changed by launch time. Then they don't know whether it's going to come out on the right day. It's so much better when they have a functional working version they can share with customers, get videos of it working, get testimonials from beta users.", "inferred_identity": "Generic product company marketing-engineering disconnect", "confidence": "medium", "tags": [ "marketing", "development", "soft launch", "hard launch", "design changes", "version mismatch", "communication breakdown", "beta users" ], "lesson": "Soft launches let marketing work with real product instead of outdated specs. This makes their campaigns better and reduces timeline pressure.", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 262, "line_end": 266 }, { "id": "ex12", "explicit_text": "Product people are the only ones required to give concrete dates for delivery. Sales teams work experimentally—they don't say 'We'll close the Acme deal on October 31st.' They say 'Here's our process and investment, and statistically we'll close X dollars.' Why should product be held to a different standard?", "inferred_identity": "VP Sales vs VP Product comparison", "confidence": "high", "tags": [ "product management", "sales comparison", "accountability", "outcomes vs predictions", "experimentation", "process-based metrics", "industry standard" ], "lesson": "If sales can be accountable for process and outcomes rather than predictions, product should be too. This is a fairness and logic issue, not a capability issue.", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 361, "line_end": 372 } ] }