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"summary": "Eli Schwartz, a growth advisor specializing in SEO, discusses how AI integration into search results is fundamentally changing SEO strategy. He emphasizes that SEO should be treated as a product challenge, not a marketing tactic, and that companies must focus on mid-funnel user intent rather than top-of-funnel rankings. Schwartz explains the shift from keyword-driven content to user-journey-driven experiences, using examples from companies like Zapier, Tinder, and Quora. He challenges common SEO myths, including the notion that all companies should invest in SEO, arguing that ROI depends entirely on whether users will actually convert through search. The conversation covers AI Overviews, link building strategy, programmatic versus editorial content, and how to forecast SEO opportunity using top-down market sizing rather than keyword research tools.",
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"title": "AI Overviews and the Shift in Search Dynamics",
"summary": "Lenny and Eli discuss how Google's AI Overviews (formerly SGE) are changing search results by providing AI-generated answers at the top of results. This pushes traditional search results down and fundamentally alters how users discover content, moving from pure ranking competition to a new paradigm where the discovery journey itself is being disrupted.",
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"summary": "Eli explains how Google was forced by ChatGPT's emergence to develop its own AI answer capability. He details the rollout challenges, including liability concerns around generating potentially harmful instructions and plagiarism issues, and why Google took a year to test this feature despite being a fast-moving company.",
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"summary": "Eli discusses insights from reading the 286-page Google antitrust verdict, revealing that Google has 98% mobile search market share and that default distribution agreements are far more important to Google's dominance than search quality. He explains why competitors like Neeva, ChatGPT, and Perplexity won't dethrone Google despite potentially better AI.",
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"title": "Lightning Round: Books, Movies, Products, and Mottos",
"summary": "Eli shares book recommendations (Small Data, Start With Why, Million Dollar Consulting), discusses the Blackberry movie, talks about his love for phones and Grammarly, and shares his motto of thinking big and thinking long in building relationships and career growth.",
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"text": "AI Overviews push results down the page, but this doesn't make SEO dead—it makes top-of-funnel ranking obsolete. Mid-funnel and bottom-funnel searches remain where real conversions happen.",
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"text": "The biggest shift isn't that search is dying, but that the discovery journey changes. Users get AI-generated answers for broad questions, then search Google specifically when they have intent about a particular solution.",
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"text": "Whoever won the long-form content race for top-of-funnel keywords is no longer being clicked. This represents a fundamental shift in how SEO ROI is distributed across the funnel.",
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"text": "Most SaaS companies shouldn't do SEO because the buying journey isn't search-driven. Users don't discover a complex tool and immediately purchase—they need sales conversations and stakeholder consensus.",
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"text": "The assumption that you should do SEO just because you raised funding is wrong. Evaluate SEO like any other product investment: cost, timeline, and ROI compared to alternatives.",
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"text": "SEO is absolutely not free. Factor in agency costs ($10K+/month), engineering resources, design, product management, CMS infrastructure, and content creation. A startup should carefully evaluate if this is the best use of capital.",
"context": "Demystifying SEO costs",
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"text": "Building links through guest posts on low-authority sites doesn't work. Real link building comes from creating something so good that other sites mention it because they want to, not because you paid them.",
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"text": "Tracking traffic as your primary SEO metric is a waste of time unless you're a media company. For SaaS, track leads. For e-commerce, track conversions. For B2B, track MQLs. Always tie SEO metrics to business outcomes.",
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"text": "Programmatic SEO works when there are users searching for the specific combinations or attributes you're generating pages for. Making programmatic pages without demand is burning resources for vanity metrics.",
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"text": "Keyword research tools are often wrong by factors of 10x in both directions. Use them only for relative comparisons and understanding search behavior, not for exact traffic forecasting or investment decisions.",
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"text": "Google's 98% mobile search market share and default distribution agreements with Apple make it virtually impossible for competitors to dethrone them, even with better AI. Distribution and habit matter more than technology.",
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"text": "Users will always need choice and will request their own information. There's no AI that will perfectly understand individual preferences, so search will always exist to provide multiple options.",
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"text": "When companies get hit by algorithm updates, technical SEO often isn't the answer. The real issue is they created content that wasn't helpful to users and need to clean up that pollution.",
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"text": "Google Cloud and other enterprise SaaS shouldn't invest significantly in SEO because the sales cycle involves multiple stakeholders and committee decisions that search alone can't drive.",
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"text": "The word 'depends' from consultants often hides lack of clarity. Instead, set product milestones and evaluate SEO performance by whether those milestones are met and results follow.",
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"text": "Thinking like a user is the first step everyone misses. If you can't answer 'what would someone search for to find my product,' then you shouldn't do SEO at all.",
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"text": "AI-generated content itself isn't the problem—it's whether the content is helpful. Google cares about usefulness, not the tool used to create it. Using AI to write product descriptions is fine; using it for low-quality blog volume is wasteful.",
"context": "Realistic take on AI and content",
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"text": "You can get from zero to eight (out of ten) on SEO success just by following Google's basic best practices: buildable site structure, linkable pages, helpful content. The remaining gains require nuance and strategy.",
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"product decisions"
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"lesson": "SurveyMonkey demonstrates a clear case where SEO works: the product solves a problem people search for, users can discover it through search, try it free, and naturally upgrade. The freemium model makes SEO ROI exceptional.",
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"product integration",
"expensive software",
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"lesson": "Understanding real user behavior reveals the disconnect between how you think customers use your product and how they actually do. SurveyMonkey's employees didn't use surveys despite access, indicating broader customer empathy issues.",
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"explicit_text": "Gardening SaaS company had insistent on SEO but their real customer acquisition came from trade shows with $10K booths. Instead of paying $15K/month for SEO, they should've invested that into more shows",
"inferred_identity": "Unnamed gardening software company",
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"niche software",
"trade shows",
"customer acquisition",
"B2B marketing",
"ROI analysis",
"wrong channel investment"
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"lesson": "Comparing acquisition channel costs reveals whether SEO makes sense. This company had a working acquisition channel (trade shows) but wanted to add SEO despite no evidence search was relevant to their customer journey.",
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"enterprise software",
"complex sales",
"committee buying",
"B2B enterprise",
"wrong SEO fit",
"distribution agreements",
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"explicit_text": "At WordPress, the word 'WordPress' is the biggest query in web development, but every keyword research tool had completely wrong volume numbers compared to Google Search Console",
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"confidence": "high",
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"keyword research tools",
"tool accuracy",
"SEO forecasting",
"web development",
"platform",
"keyword volume inaccuracy"
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"lesson": "Keyword research tools are fundamentally unreliable for traffic forecasting. WordPress showed that the #1 query in a category had dramatically different volume numbers across tools, making forecasts built on these numbers unreliable.",
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"explicit_text": "During COVID, a public company's board member criticized them based on keyword tool rankings, but Google Search Console showed their actual traffic had quadrupled",
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"confidence": "low",
"tags": [
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"board oversight",
"metric confusion",
"COVID",
"traffic growth",
"investor relations",
"real data vs vanity metrics"
],
"lesson": "Relying on external keyword tools instead of actual search data (Google Search Console) leads to misinformed business decisions. Real data showed this company thriving while tools suggested they were failing.",
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"explicit_text": "Faire was launching in a new country and wanted to understand SEO upside using top-down market sizing instead of keyword research",
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"international expansion",
"market sizing",
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"explicit_text": "When I left SurveyMonkey, a CEO asked why he should pay me for SEO when it's basically finding keywords, creating content, and building links",
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"confidence": "low",
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"SEO misconception",
"consultant value",
"oversimplification",
"tactic-focused thinking"
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"lesson": "Many executives view SEO reductively as a simple tactic checklist rather than a strategic, product-led discipline. This misunderstanding leads to underinvestment or misdirected investment in SEO.",
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"explicit_text": "The health app company had thousands of blog posts about health but the app itself was bad and didn't do what they claimed",
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"confidence": "low",
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"app",
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"product quality",
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"user experience",
"wasted content efforts"
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"lesson": "Creating massive amounts of SEO content won't help if the underlying product is poor. SEO and product quality must align—you can't market a bad product into success through search.",
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"id": "E14",
"explicit_text": "DuckDuckGo conducted a survey with me 10-12 years ago showing 1% market share. In the antitrust verdict, it showed 2% market share. Despite $100M funding and sponsorships, they've barely grown",
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"user perception",
"transparency"
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"marketplace",
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"conversion metrics",
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"confidence": "high",
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"consulting",
"long-term relationships",
"persistence",
"B2B partnerships",
"patience"
],
"lesson": "Long-term relationship building in business sometimes takes years before resulting in opportunities. Don't discount early conversations that don't immediately convert.",
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"id": "E19",
"explicit_text": "My personal website without great domain authority outranks Amazon for 'Product-Led SEO' and I outrank LinkedIn for searches of my name",
"inferred_identity": "Eli Schwartz - growth advisor and author",
"confidence": "high",
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"SEO strategy",
"domain authority",
"brand relevance",
"competitive search terms",
"content quality",
"SEO success metric"
],
"lesson": "Outranking major sites and platforms is possible when content is the right fit for the query. This disproves the 'link count determines everything' myth and shows relevance and authority matter.",
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"id": "E20",
"explicit_text": "TripAdvisor took all data about properties worldwide and combined with UGC to create comprehensive pages that still dominate top-of-funnel searches today",
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"confidence": "high",
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"programmatic SEO",
"UGC",
"hotel reviews",
"travel",
"marketplace",
"dominant rankings",
"data-driven approach",
"long-term SEO success"
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