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"summary": "Bob Moesta, co-creator of the Jobs-to-be-Done framework and CEO of The Rewired Group, discusses his new book 'Job Moves,' which provides a tactical guide for finding jobs you love and hiring/keeping amazing people. Drawing from interviews with over 1,000 people across 15 years, Moesta reveals that most job switchers end up in worse positions because they don't understand themselves well enough. The book introduces four quests that drive job changes (get out, take next step, regain control, realign), energy drivers and drains, and a prototyping methodology for evaluating job fits. Key insight: employees hire companies more than companies hire employees, requiring fundamental shifts in how both candidates and employers approach job matching.",
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"Four Quests of Job Changes: Get Out, Take Next Step, Regain Control, Realign",
"Job Features vs Job Experiences",
"Pushes and Pulls (13 pushes, 14 pulls identified through research)",
"Energy Drivers and Energy Drains",
"Jobcation Concept",
"Prototyping Wide Then Narrowing Down",
"Pixar Story Template: Once Upon a Time, Every Day, One Day, Because of That, Until Finally, Ever Since",
"Jobs-to-be-Done Applied to Career Planning",
"Trade-off Framework for Job Selection",
"Strengths Finder Integration"
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"id": "topic_1",
"title": "Introduction and Book Overview",
"summary": "Lenny introduces Bob Moesta and the book 'Job Moves,' explaining the core premise that most job switchers end up in worse positions because they don't understand themselves well enough. The book is a tactical guide for finding jobs you love, deciding when to leave, and hiring/keeping amazing people.",
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"summary": "Bob explains the critical distinction between static job features (salary, title) and dynamic job experiences that keep you engaged. Money is a surrogate for many things (respect, security, self-worth), and understanding why you want something is more important than wanting it. Experiences are what actually drive job satisfaction and retention.",
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"summary": "Bob introduces the four distinct reasons people leave jobs discovered through 1,000+ interviews: Get Out (burnout), Take Next Step (career progression), Regain Control (time/autonomy), and Realign (back to strengths). Each involves specific pushes (negative factors driving departure) and pulls (positive factors attracting to new role). Understanding which quest applies is crucial for making the right move.",
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"title": "Why Understanding Your Quest Matters",
"summary": "Bob explains why understanding which quest you're in is essential. People don't randomly change jobs; context creates pushes that give you energy to leave. Without enough pushes, you'll never actually switch despite complaining. Multiple pushes create momentum. Without knowing your pulls, you end up in the same or worse job. Context determines what you're seeking.",
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"summary": "Core concept for job satisfaction: identifying activities that energize you versus drain you. Through nine-step process (or abbreviated five-step version), people reflect on past career moments where they gained or lost energy. Most spend 95% of time on draining work for 5% joy. Goal is rebalancing to 40-60% or 50-50 ratio. Common drivers include learning, helping others, creativity. Drains vary by person (routine, sameness, disrespect).",
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"title": "Quick Reflection Exercise for Energizers and Drains",
"summary": "Lenny and Bob discuss practical, time-efficient ways to identify what energizes and drains you without the full nine-step process. Reflect on specific meetings, projects, or interactions where energy increased or decreased. Look at Strengths Finders bottom five to identify drains. Abstract beyond surface answers (e.g., going to beach) to understand causal mechanisms. Use daily reflection to track energy patterns.",
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"title": "Mapping Features to Experiences and Understanding Depreciation",
"summary": "Bob explains how static features like titles depreciate over time as you become accustomed to them. A title initially feels like a pull but becomes a push later when you need the next promotion. Features don't create lasting satisfaction; experiences do. Understanding what experiences you need prevents chasing features that won't fulfill you long-term.",
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"title": "Prototyping Jobs and Informational Interviews",
"summary": "For job seekers, Bob recommends prototyping wide by interviewing people in 10-15 different roles to understand what those jobs actually entail. This serves dual purpose: practice talking about yourself and reality-test assumptions about careers. Example: neuroscientist considering National Geographic coordinator role discovered it was just travel agent work, not research. Prototyping prevents bad job decisions.",
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"title": "Understanding Trade-offs in Job Selection",
"summary": "No job is perfect. Career satisfaction requires consciously choosing what to sacrifice. Bob shares example of entrepreneur choosing $200k chief of staff role over $350-400k engineering job to learn from well-known founder. Key: make the trade-off intentionally, communicate it, commit to it, and set timeframes. Getting comfortable with trade-offs increases satisfaction. Side gigs and hobbies can supplement what one job can't provide.",
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"title": "The Jobcation Concept",
"summary": "A jobcation is a deliberately lower-pressure job taken as a reset period after burnout or major life disruption. Purpose is rest, recovery, and reconnection to identity before the next major move. Bob's personal example: VP of sales at homebuilder for four years to rebuild family relationships after startup exhaustion. Not about career progression but about becoming 'you' again so future decisions are authentic.",
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"title": "Quest-Specific Heuristics for Job Selection",
"summary": "Different quests require different optimization strategies. Get Out: find a jobcation. Take Next Step: ensure it's a big enough step, think about the role after next, develop specific new skills. Regain Control: simplify work, focus on what you're good at (rock star, not rising star). Realign: return to your core strengths and passions. Each quest has specific design requirements for the next role.",
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"summary": "Job descriptions are made up and filters are arbitrary. Most real jobs come through networks, not application filters. Recommend using resume writers who understand filters. Bob's wife went from no callbacks to three interview offers in a week with professional resume. Resume should emphasize skills and activities you can do, not just credentials. Conduct informational interviews to learn what language successful candidates use.",
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"title": "Crafting Your Career Story",
"summary": "Use Pixar's seven-part story template to articulate your career narrative: Once Upon a Time, Every Day, One Day, Because of That (x2), Until Finally, Ever Since. Bob's example: from dyslexic/ADHD child taking things apart to asking questions as superpower, enabling method for understanding 3,500+ products. Story helps you understand your purpose and helps interviewers understand your journey. Makes career tangible and compelling.",
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"title": "Weaknesses as Hidden Superpowers",
"summary": "Bob's dyslexia created superpower of asking questions, his learning method. He advocates reframing disabilities and weaknesses as sources of unique abilities. Rather than fixing weaknesses, leverage them. Strengths Finders bottom five reveals energy drains and identifies what to delegate to team members with opposite strengths. Example: Bob's business partner is great at harmony while Bob drives innovation through conflict.",
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"summary": "Companies should require job candidates to understand their own energy drivers, drains, strengths, and weaknesses before hiring. Reshape jobs to fit good people rather than finding perfect job fit candidates. Write job descriptions as experiences, not features. Use pushes/pulls framework in interviews. Align company progress with individual progress—if they don't progress, they leave. Make jobs flexible enough to evolve with employee needs.",
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"title": "Improving Job Descriptions",
"summary": "Job descriptions are often lazy and counterproductive. Specific improvements: avoid vague requirements like 'five years experience' without explaining why; specify what people will actually do, not what skills they need; focus on experiences and outcomes, not features; be specific about tools and their purpose. Example: instead of 'PowerPoint skills,' say 'build executive presentations.' This attracts broader, better-qualified candidates.",
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"title": "Founder Decision-Making and Self-Awareness",
"summary": "Aspiring founders should assess whether they actually want to be founders and what type. Interview existing founders to understand the realities. Use energy drivers/drains and strengths analysis to determine if founding aligns with you. There are many types of founders (solopreneur, small team, big company builder)—choose based on who you are, not an abstract ideal. Self-awareness prevents wrong founder path decisions.",
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"title": "Using Job Moves Framework for Personal Realignment",
"summary": "Bob unexpectedly used his own framework during book launch when overwhelmed. Took the quiz, discovered he was in realignment quest. Listed five things misaligning him (podcasts, promotion, selling to companies, not building product). Eliminated or delegated them. Regained energy and motivation overnight. Now uses framework monthly as diagnostic tool. Shows framework's utility beyond job search for ongoing career and life alignment.",
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"title": "Book, Resources, and Product Development",
"summary": "Book 'Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress in Your Career' available on Amazon and major retailers. Free resources at jobmoves.com including diagnostic quiz for quests, interview forms, prototyping templates. Product version launching fall (early beta with hundreds of testers) will facilitate questioning, summarize energy drivers/drains, provide feedback on prototyping choices. Domain name influenced final book title.",
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"title": "Closing Advice and Contact Information",
"summary": "Bob emphasizes that the framework isn't for everyone but helps people who take responsibility for their careers. Encourages listeners to connect via LinkedIn with struggling moments they'd like help solving. Bob actively seeks such problems to identify future areas to explore. Reiterates that understanding yourself and finding matching work is better than morphing yourself to fit others' expectations.",
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"text": "Employees hire companies more than companies hire employees. Job seekers, not employers, determine job fit through their choices, preparation, and decisions about which roles align with their needs.",
"context": "Core reframing of job market dynamics",
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"text": "Luck is when opportunity meets preparedness. People who appear lucky in job transitions have actually prepared themselves through experience and self-knowledge to recognize good opportunities.",
"context": "Redefining concept of luck in career transitions",
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"id": "I3",
"text": "Money has many implications beyond compensation: it can signal respect, security, progress, self-worth, or debt management. Understanding why you want more money is more important than wanting it.",
"context": "Unpacking money motivation",
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"id": "I4",
"text": "Job experiences, not features, keep you engaged. Experiences are how attributes work through time and space; they evolve and compound, unlike static features that depreciate.",
"context": "Jobs-to-be-Done applied to career satisfaction",
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"id": "I5",
"text": "Nobody randomly changes jobs. Job changes are caused by accumulation of pushes (problems) that give you energy to leave, combined with pulls (attractions) that show you direction.",
"context": "Job changes are deterministic, not random",
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"id": "I6",
"text": "People won't leave jobs unless they have enough context and pushes. Many people talk about leaving but never do because they lack sufficient motivation and don't know where to go.",
"context": "Why people stay in bad jobs",
"topic_id": "topic_4",
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"id": "I7",
"text": "53% of people who said they switched jobs for more money actually didn't get more money. They told their employers that was the reason because they knew the company couldn't argue with it.",
"context": "Reveals gap between stated and true job change motivations",
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"id": "I8",
"text": "Most people spend 95% of their time on work that drains their energy to get 5% of the joy. Rebalancing to 40-60% or even 50-50 energy drain to drive ratio eliminates the feeling of working.",
"context": "Energy balance creates sustainable satisfaction",
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"text": "Reflection takes time. Letting people spend two weeks reflecting on past jobs helps them remember experiences and patterns they initially forgot about energy and motivation.",
"context": "Process for discovering energy drivers",
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"text": "Energy drivers and drains are part of your DNA. Once identified, they're remarkably stable across decades, providing reliable design requirements for career decisions.",
"context": "Energy patterns are fundamental and enduring",
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"text": "Job titles depreciate like assets. A title that feels like a pull initially (VP!) becomes a push later (why haven't I been promoted to C-level?), creating perpetual dissatisfaction.",
"context": "Features have inherent depreciation",
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"text": "When someone says they want a new job but can't name three specific pushes, they're not ready to leave. Multiple pushes accumulating creates the energy necessary for actual change.",
"context": "Diagnostic for job change readiness",
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"text": "Most people apply for jobs without understanding what those jobs actually involve. Prototyping wide through informational interviews prevents ending up in roles that look good but feel wrong.",
"context": "Why blind job applications fail",
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"id": "I14",
"text": "People underestimate their transferable value. If you're good at marketing, you can do it in many industries, not just your current one. Skills are portable; context assumptions aren't.",
"context": "Broadening job search scope",
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"id": "I15",
"text": "Getting comfortable making trade-offs increases life satisfaction. Perfectionism (wanting everything) paradoxically creates perpetual dissatisfaction; accepting what you're giving up creates peace.",
"context": "Psychological benefit of conscious sacrifice",
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"text": "A startup changes who you are. Exiting requires taking time—a jobcation or sabbatical—to reconnect with your authentic self before making the next major move.",
"context": "Startup burnout recovery",
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"text": "When exhausted, people often aim too high (VP instead of stepping back). Sometimes the right move is deliberately lower-pressure work that lets you breathe and remember who you are.",
"context": "Counterintuitive career wisdom",
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"id": "I18",
"text": "Average person stays at a job four years. Job hopping is now normal and a skill to learn, not a failure. HR doesn't help navigate this; they manage risk and fill seats.",
"context": "Modern career reality",
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"id": "I19",
"text": "Job descriptions are made up. They reflect what managers don't want to do, not what the role actually requires. This creates impossible job requirements (unicorns) and filters that exclude good candidates.",
"context": "Fundamental flaw in job matching",
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"id": "I20",
"text": "You can pay people less if you give them better experiences. When people are learning and energized, they accept lower salaries and are motivated more by growth than bonus structures.",
"context": "Economics of experience-focused compensation",
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"id": "I21",
"text": "Overpaying people makes them conservative and scared. High bonuses incentivize risk avoidance rather than innovation because people are afraid of losing their cushion.",
"context": "Behavioral economics of compensation",
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"id": "I22",
"text": "Informational interviews serve dual purposes: they give you realistic job information AND they're practice for actual job interviews, making you more comfortable and authentic.",
"context": "Hidden benefit of job exploration",
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"id": "I23",
"text": "Honesty about what you suck at impresses interviewers more than pretending competence. People are blown away when you know yourself—it's more rare than you'd expect.",
"context": "Authenticity as competitive advantage",
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"text": "Dyslexia and neurodivergence are overrepresented among entrepreneurs, likely because they couldn't get hired through traditional systems and had to create their own paths.",
"context": "Disability as entrepreneurial driver",
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"id": "I25",
"text": "Wrapping processes around things you love ruins them, but wrapping processes and gamification around things you hate helps you get through them.",
"context": "Tactical approach to energy drains",
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"id": "I26",
"text": "The system has automated insanity rather than improved job matching. Sending 100 resumes through filters is counterproductive; real jobs come through networks and authentic presentations.",
"context": "Critique of modern hiring systems",
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"id": "I27",
"text": "Resume writers know how to hack the system's arbitrary filters. Professional resume writers understand which keywords pass filters and how to position your experience to be seen by humans.",
"context": "Practical hack for application systems",
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"id": "I28",
"text": "Activity is often confused with productivity. In startups, founders waste time on logos and websites that don't matter instead of focusing on what actually drives progress.",
"context": "Founder self-awareness lesson",
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"id": "I29",
"text": "Different types of founders exist, and you should choose your founder path based on who you are, not an abstract ideal. Introspection determines whether you want employees, contracting, or solo work.",
"context": "Founder path personalization",
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"id": "I30",
"text": "The framework works for ongoing career management, not just job transitions. Monthly use helps diagnose misalignment and identify what to stop doing or delegate.",
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"explicit_text": "My jobcation was to go to build houses, and so I became a VP of sales and marketing with the intention to buy in as an owner. But the fact that I wanted to work there for a year, I ended up working there for four years. I could be home every night for dinner.",
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"explicit_text": "I had done three startups and then I started a small private equity firm around 2000. I ended up raising some money, but the fact is the internet bubble burst, and so it was about buying things for 10 cents on the dollar and selling them for 20 cents on the dollar. I hated it.",
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"explicit_text": "I was coaching somebody who was a neuroscientist and they had just come back from Ireland and they were running this big lab and they got burnt out and they came and basically took a job at a hospital. And as she started to talk about what gave her energy and not, we said, well, what about being a design researcher? What about being a National Geographic coordinator?",
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"National Geographic",
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"explicit_text": "I was coaching somebody and I said, all right, we're going to go find somebody who's in that geo coordinator, we're going to go to LinkedIn and find somebody who either had the job or has the job and you're going to interview them to say, 'What's it like to have this job?'",
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"Informational interview",
"LinkedIn",
"Job exploration",
"Reality testing",
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"explicit_text": "It turned out the fact is she was thinking she could travel and she could do science and she could help people be a teacher. And it turns out that geo coordinator is just like a travel agent. It literally, it's all pre-programmed and everything else. And she's like, 'Oh, I'm out.'",
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"No travel freedom",
"Scripted work",
"Not scientific"
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"lesson": "Glamorous job titles often hide mundane realities. Prototyping reveals the actual day-to-day work versus the fantasy version.",
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"id": "E8",
"explicit_text": "I was coaching somebody a while ago who basically was an entrepreneur and he was at one company and he had been there for five years. They had gone from basically being, I'll say nothing to basically being over a hundred million, but it wasn't small anymore. And he's like, I want to be a founder someday, so I want to take the next step. But the reality is like I think I want to go work for one more entrepreneur.",
"inferred_identity": "Early-stage employee (coached by Bob Moesta)",
"confidence": "medium",
"tags": [
"Series A scaling",
"Founder aspiration",
"Mentorship",
"100M+ company",
"Next step",
"Learning path",
"Early employee",
"Company growth"
],
"lesson": "Before becoming a founder, consider working closely with experienced founders to learn their approach. This step can be more valuable than the money.",
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{
"id": "E9",
"explicit_text": "He got one being an engineer somewhere and it was paying 3 50, 400. And he had another job where he could actually work next to as almost like the chief of staff of a very well-known entrepreneur. And he would learn a lot. And so the question is, and it was like 200 and which one do you want? And he ended up taking the job with the entrepreneur to teach him, but he actually went in and said, I'm taking this job, I have this other job for this other money. I'm giving up this much money so I can learn from you. And he said, fine, I'll make you chief of staff.",
"inferred_identity": "Career coaching client (engineer/founder-track)",
"confidence": "medium",
"tags": [
"Engineer",
"Chief of staff",
"Salary negotiation",
"Learning value",
"Founder mentorship",
"Transparent trade-off",
"Structured learning",
"$200k vs $350-400k"
],
"lesson": "Being transparent about your motivation and trade-offs can lead to employers restructuring roles to fit your needs better. The job itself can be negotiated, not just salary.",
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"line_end": 245
},
{
"id": "E10",
"explicit_text": "And ultimately he said, and you're here for two years so you can be a founder. So they actually reframed the job to literally fit him. And then what I told him is, you can't go back and bitch about the money because you made the trade-off to do it.",
"inferred_identity": "Entrepreneur transitioning to founder path",
"confidence": "medium",
"tags": [
"Founder preparation",
"Two-year plan",
"Skill building",
"Transparent expectation",
"Accountability for trade-offs",
"Role redesign"
],
"lesson": "When making intentional trade-offs, commit fully and avoid later regret. Accept the consequences of your choice rather than second-guessing yourself.",
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"line_end": 248
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{
"id": "E11",
"explicit_text": "My wife is a director of finance and she went through this process and she was looking for the next step. She was in the next step thing and tried to go from a manager to a director and she wrote a resume and she turned, never get a response, never even get through it. Basically. I said, fine, let's just hire a resume writer. And when she read the resume, she's like, this is me, but this is not how I talk about me. And within a week she got three interviews.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta's wife",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Finance",
"Manager to director",
"Resume optimization",
"Application systems",
"Professional resume writer",
"Interview success",
"One week turnaround"
],
"lesson": "Resume filters and formatting matter significantly. A professional resume writer who understands the system can transform your results from zero responses to multiple interviews.",
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{
"id": "E12",
"explicit_text": "I was applying for to be on a public board and they basically, and I had somebody rewrite my resume because I can't really do that and so I had somebody help me do it. And they had business leader seven times on my resume or my CV or whatever it was. And I'm like, okay, I just don't refer to myself as a business leader. And they're like, well, if it's not there seven times, you can't get through the filter.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Board membership",
"Resume filters",
"Keyword optimization",
"Application systems",
"Resume writer",
"Dyslexia accommodation",
"Keyword repetition"
],
"lesson": "Resume filters are literal and arbitrary. They require keywords repeated in specific ways to pass, regardless of whether they authentically represent you.",
"topic_id": "topic_12",
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"line_end": 378
},
{
"id": "E13",
"explicit_text": "Once upon a time, basically there was a kid who was basically was dyslexic and ADHD, but love to basically take things apart and fix things. Every day he was so curious about everything that he did, but at the same time he really struggled to bake it in school. And one day he basically realized that his superpower was asking questions.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Dyslexia",
"ADHD",
"Curiosity",
"Questions superpower",
"School struggle",
"Career narrative",
"Problem solver"
],
"lesson": "Your career story should show how your weaknesses became strengths and how that unique path led to your current work and impact.",
"topic_id": "topic_13",
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},
{
"id": "E14",
"explicit_text": "And ultimately because of that, he was able to build a method around that. And from that method he's been able to work on over 3,500 products. So every day he basically is curious and is able to understand and ask questions to help him build new products every week.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Jobs-to-be-Done",
"3500 products",
"Interview methodology",
"Question-based approach",
"Problem solving",
"Impact scale"
],
"lesson": "Your story should show the progression from personal discovery to method to impact at scale. This demonstrates both evolution and consistency.",
"topic_id": "topic_13",
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"line_end": 408
},
{
"id": "E15",
"explicit_text": "My business partner of 25 years is my exact opposite. What I love to do, he hates to do what he loves to do. I hate to do all practical purposes, we should not get along, but he's my best friend. And ultimately the fact is we trust each other enough so he knows what not to give me.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta's business partner",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Business partnership",
"Complementary skills",
"Opposite personalities",
"Trust",
"25 years",
"Team diversity"
],
"lesson": "The best business partnerships pair opposites who trust each other and deliberately protect each other's energy by owning complementary tasks.",
"topic_id": "topic_14",
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"line_end": 177
},
{
"id": "E16",
"explicit_text": "When my kids played ice hockey, I was there about teaching them the rules. What's offsides? How do you do a face off? How do you actually skate? But when it came to winning and losing, I'm like, you know what? There's other people better than that. I am literally about helping you go, I want a new job. Okay, let's make that abstraction of a new job into what do you really have to do to get it?",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Parenting",
"Ice hockey",
"Pattern recognition",
"Teaching style",
"Making abstract concrete",
"Life purpose",
"Consistent strengths"
],
"lesson": "Your core strength (making abstract things concrete) appears consistently across all areas of life, not just work. This is your true purpose.",
"topic_id": "topic_13",
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},
{
"id": "E17",
"explicit_text": "One of the things I suck at is harmony and the strength fighters is helping people get along and everybody get along because part of me is I'm a really good innovator because I believe that innovation or product is a conflict sport. It's where you have to have arguments in order to be better.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Innovation",
"Conflict",
"Harmony weakness",
"Product management",
"Strengths Finder",
"Bottom five focus",
"Argument-driven improvement"
],
"lesson": "Trying to fix your weaknesses can destroy your superpowers. For Bob, improving harmony would eliminate his conflict-driven innovation ability.",
"topic_id": "topic_14",
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"line_end": 437
},
{
"id": "E18",
"explicit_text": "My business partner is great at harmony, he actually hates conflict, but the fact is he and I can have conflict and the reality is we're all better off, but he's the one who actually keeps everybody in the company really harmonized. And my thing is I'm seen as the agitator, but the reality is we have a role and it makes us each have our superpowers.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta and business partner",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Business partnership",
"Complementary roles",
"Conflict vs harmony",
"Agitator role",
"Team dynamics",
"Strengths leverage",
"Different superpowers"
],
"lesson": "In teams, embrace role differentiation. One person drives conflict and innovation; another maintains harmony. This combination is stronger than trying to make everyone balanced.",
"topic_id": "topic_14",
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"line_end": 438
},
{
"id": "E19",
"explicit_text": "When I was trying to figure out what to do with my career in life, when I was at a company for a while, I took a streaks' finder test and I was working with a coach. And when I took the test, she basically helped me realize that all my strengths point to I should just do my own thing and start my own thing and not work at a company.",
"inferred_identity": "Lenny Rachitsky",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Lenny Rachitsky",
"Strengths Finder",
"Coaching",
"Career decision",
"Entrepreneurship",
"Self-direction",
"Strengths alignment"
],
"lesson": "Strengths assessment can reveal that your optimal career path is different from traditional employment. Trust what the assessment reveals.",
"topic_id": "topic_14",
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"line_end": 446
},
{
"id": "E20",
"explicit_text": "When I was on this journey post, leaving that company, that was my number one framework, paying attention to what energizes me and doing more of that every week. And I took time off to figure this out and doing less of the things that drain me. And that's what led me to this weird new life I have of the newsletter and this podcast.",
"inferred_identity": "Lenny Rachitsky",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Lenny Rachitsky",
"Energy drivers",
"Energy drains",
"Newsletter",
"Podcast",
"Career transition",
"Time off",
"Entrepreneurship"
],
"lesson": "Systematically allocating time toward energizing activities and away from draining activities naturally leads you toward your true calling.",
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"line_end": 461
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{
"id": "E21",
"explicit_text": "I was coaching somebody the other day and basically they came to me and said, I really hate my job. I just really want to quit. I'm like, okay, but let me ask this. In the last 12 months, can you think of a time where you literally enjoyed the moment or two? And they're like, yeah, I have a couple of those.",
"inferred_identity": "Job coaching client",
"confidence": "medium",
"tags": [
"Job dissatisfaction",
"Quick assessment",
"Energy moments",
"Moments of joy",
"Coaching technique",
"Reality check"
],
"lesson": "Even in jobs you hate, there are usually moments of satisfaction. Identifying and building on these moments is better than assuming the entire role is wrong.",
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"line_end": 158
},
{
"id": "E22",
"explicit_text": "So I would tell people just to take the time to reflect and say, think about two or three meetings, think about two or three projects, two or three things that you did where literally when you went into it, you actually had an X amount of energy and when you came out of it, you actually had 2X, 3X, four x of energy.",
"inferred_identity": "Multiple coaching clients",
"confidence": "medium",
"tags": [
"Reflection practice",
"Energy audit",
"Meetings",
"Projects",
"Energy multiplication",
"Moments of impact"
],
"lesson": "You don't need to analyze your entire career; focusing on 2-3 specific moments where energy multiplied reveals patterns efficiently.",
"topic_id": "topic_6",
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"line_end": 161
},
{
"id": "E23",
"explicit_text": "I always talk about strength finders and I tell people to say, I want to know the bottom five. And they're like, why? It's because those are the five things you really suck at that you don't even know you suck at. And that's typically where the energy drains come from.",
"inferred_identity": "Coaching clients using Strengths Finder",
"confidence": "medium",
"tags": [
"Strengths Finder",
"Bottom five",
"Blind spots",
"Energy drains",
"Unknown weaknesses",
"Self-awareness"
],
"lesson": "Your unknown weaknesses (bottom five in Strengths Finder) are often your biggest energy drains. Identifying them helps you structure work to minimize those areas.",
"topic_id": "topic_6",
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"line_end": 164
},
{
"id": "E24",
"explicit_text": "I realized I spent all my time on people issues and I love to work on product. And so eventually I actually reshaped the whole business to get us down to five people. I found everybody else jobs and then ultimately helped me basically get back to being able to do the work because that's the stuff I love to do.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Firm restructuring",
"People management",
"Product focus",
"50 to 5 people",
"Realignment",
"Supporting exits"
],
"lesson": "If your role has evolved away from what energizes you, it's legitimate to restructure significantly to get back to your core work. It may require helping others find new homes.",
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},
{
"id": "E25",
"explicit_text": "In November where I was just overwhelmed. I was literally like, come on, this is not what I want to do. This is, and there's just so many things pulling on me and pressing on me that I'm like, okay. And I like, you know what? I'm going to go take the test. So when job moves, there's some resources and there's a test you can take and it'll tell you which quest you're in.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Book launch",
"Overwhelm",
"Self-diagnosis",
"Quest framework",
"November 2024",
"Publisher pressure"
],
"lesson": "Your own framework can help you during your own career crises. When overwhelmed, use diagnostic tools to understand what's actually pulling you out of alignment.",
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{
"id": "E26",
"explicit_text": "And I realized, okay, what are the five things that are really pulling me out of alignment? It was like all these podcasts I had to do. I wasn't building product, I was promoting more. I was doing all these things that I had to figure out how to sell books to big companies, all this stuff that just isn't me.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Book promotion",
"Podcasts",
"Selling",
"Misalignment",
"Product work",
"Publisher demands"
],
"lesson": "During book launches, publishers create demands that don't align with your core. Identifying these misalignments explicitly lets you choose differently.",
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{
"id": "E27",
"explicit_text": "And I realized, screw it. I'm going to buy the books. I'm going to give them away. I'm going to do, I was able to actually look at that list and pull the things off my list and basically either not do them or delegate them to somebody else. And it was actually about me pulling myself back into alignment. So I actually had more energy, and to be honest, I woke up the next day, I was a young entrepreneur again.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Book giveaway",
"Delegation",
"Realignment",
"Energy recovery",
"Decision making",
"Entrepreneurial spark"
],
"lesson": "Removing misaligned activities and delegating can immediately restore your energy and motivation. Small decisions to realign can transform your entire experience.",
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},
{
"id": "E28",
"explicit_text": "I have a couple of colleagues who are doing it as well, and it just is interesting how they realize I'm not a very good delegator, but when I realized it affects my motivation this way, it's like all of a sudden I've become a way better delegator to say, these are the things that are just pulling me or are misaligning me.",
"inferred_identity": "Bob Moesta and colleagues",
"confidence": "high",
"tags": [
"Bob Moesta",
"Delegation skills",
"Motivation impact",
"Misalignment",
"Self-awareness",
"Behavior change"
],
"lesson": "Understanding how activities affect your energy can motivate you to improve delegation skills you previously resisted developing.",
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